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Post by Chaps » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:33 am

Hey guys, the good weather has everyone's juices flowing early. I'm booking (and doing) bottom jobs already. Trailer boats at my shop, big boats at the yards. I finally got a Farrow blasting machine that strips and preps bottoms without the big mess of wet or dry sandblasting, soda blasting, chemicals or power hand sanding. Its also great for stripping topside paints as well as cleaning crud and oxidation off of bare aluminum. Decks too slippery? We can take care of that too . . . PM me to discuss your needs. Thanks, Bob
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Post by AlloyToy » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:54 am

Chaps, have you ever just blasted the bottom and run a boat that way?? Curious on what it does? I've been told by a boat builder that alum sticks to the water and blasting the bottom "releases" the hull and makes a smoother/drier ride??

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Post by Chaps » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 am

I've heard that as well but can't vouch for the veracity of it. I know the guys with aluminum drift boats have a problem with getting stuck on river rock and they have to coat the bottoms with hard epoxy, I do those jobs too. I could imagine that smooth aluminum may develop a suction effect on smooth water and that a stippled bottom might overcome that but can't say for sure. If its true then it would seem that smooth glass bottoms would also have the issue . . .
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Post by AlloyToy » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:22 pm

Chaps wrote:I've heard that as well but can't vouch for the veracity of it. I know the guys with aluminum drift boats have a problem with getting stuck on river rock and they have to coat the bottoms with hard epoxy, I do those jobs too. I could imagine that smooth aluminum may develop a suction effect on smooth water and that a stippled bottom might overcome that but can't say for sure. If its true then it would seem that smooth glass bottoms would also have the issue . . .
I brought that up as a matter of fact and was told that even though glass is smooth it's not perfectly smooth and has waves which introduce air into the running bottom. Alum plate however is extruded and rolled flat which is much more uniform than glass.....so I was told. The guy that told me this use to build alum racing sail boats....quite interesting. Been thinking about hitting the bottom with some black beauty to see what happens....

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Post by NIGHTHAWK » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:59 am

Chaps wrote:Hey guys, the good weather has everyone's juices flowing early. I'm booking (and doing) bottom jobs already. Trailer boats at my shop, big boats at the yards. I finally got a Farrow blasting machine that strips and preps bottoms without the big mess of wet or dry sandblasting, soda blasting, chemicals or power hand sanding. Its also great for stripping topside paints as well as cleaning crud and oxidation off of bare aluminum. Decks too slippery? We can take care of that too . . . PM me to discuss your needs. Thanks, Bob
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That's great.:thumbsup: Wish you were closer. Take some before and after pictures.

What does it use to clean with? How have the jobs come out compared to wet sand/sand/water blasting?
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Post by Chaps » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:27 am

Roger

The machine shoots a crystallized mineral (not sand). When the mineral grains hit a surface they shatter which is what does the paint removal. Also, it goes on damp so there isn't any dust plumes like you get from soda blasting and dry sand blasting.

Did you ever get Nighthawk stripped? This is the ideal machine to do that job. Pull it up here and I'll git 'er done (or make it worth my while to come down there) :thumbsup:
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Post by NIGHTHAWK » Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:58 am

Chaps wrote:Roger

The machine shoots a crystallized mineral (not sand). When the mineral grains hit a surface they shatter which is what does the paint removal. Also, it goes on damp so there isn't any dust plumes like you get from soda blasting and dry sand blasting.

Did you ever get Nighthawk stripped? This is the ideal machine to do that job. Pull it up here and I'll git 'er done (or make it worth my while to come down there) :thumbsup:
We got it done with a combo of soda and sand and what a mess.We, would have definitely used your system. The boat is at the Line X shop this week for 400 sq/ft of non-skid. Then it is going to paint after. Then bottom paint. Thanks for all the advice and support!

When it comes time to completely strip and replace the bottom paint and barrier coat, we will have to employ your services. :beer:

I have pictures, just need to figure out how to post them. :?:
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Post by MacCTD » Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:51 am

Wow, wish you were in the Northeast, how does it leave gelcoat after bottom paint is removed? I have read it is the least damaging to gelcoat and in some cased the gelcoat can be buffed out after stripping instead of repainting.
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Post by welder » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:40 pm

Knight Hawk, go to your , User Control Panel and click on the GALLERY tab and follow directions , it's easy , heck even Jettywolf did it. :rotfl:

If that don't work , Email them to me and I'll post them for you . :thumbsup:
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Post by Chaps » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:48 pm

MacCTD wrote:Wow, wish you were in the Northeast, how does it leave gelcoat after bottom paint is removed? I have read it is the least damaging to gelcoat and in some cased the gelcoat can be buffed out after stripping instead of repainting.
Normally the goal is to leave a #80 profile (ideal for new bottom paint or barrier coat) which is achieved with the medium sized crystal grit.

If I use the finest grade of media it leaves a very smooth finish but it takes longer to remove the paint. I did one boat where the expectation was to buff the bottom and not repaint but what we found underneath was that a very rough original prep job had been done to the gelcoat and would have been too much work to straighten out so the client repainted in a hull color matched Vivid and it looked fine.
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Post by pjay9 » Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:31 am

AlloyToy wrote:Chaps, have you ever just blasted the bottom and run a boat that way?? Curious on what it does? I've been told by a boat builder that alum sticks to the water and blasting the bottom "releases" the hull and makes a smoother/drier ride??

Since I live in Tacoma and it is not far the BB Island for me, I'd like to make a suggestion for the good of AAB memebers..I would volunteer my boat bottom to be blasted and take some informal speed readings using the GPS... But there are many other factors that I have experienced with glass boats. I do know that I have run faster with a very clean waxed bottom. By clean it was trailer kept so no growth! Also Clean means no road grime, tar spots or such! It is amazing how a small bit of tar stuck the the hull thrown up by the trailer wheels can slow you down...Also a lip caused by improper trailer support at the transom can cause a change in attack angle and slow you as well!

As for the bottom of my boat and many other aluminum boats I have looked at the welds that hold the bottom straks in place are sometimes very rough, blunt, fat, skinny, lumpy and have welding splatter. Smoothing and removing is rerquired, I am going to get under there this summer and "get er dun". That should also help with the speed, but doing the whole bottom to break surface tension and introduce air is a thought, but on the other hand lots of air is being introduced from all the other mentioned imperfections...so maybe it is all for Naugth! Capt PJ
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Post by goatram » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:55 pm

Well Capt PJ your results of your test are? :popcorn:
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Post by pjay9 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:09 pm

The git er dun didn't happen this past summer! No results...I did put a coat of wax on the bottom and I don't really know if it made a diff...no measurable results...but what I do know is that the stuff sticking to the bottom when hauling out at a dirty ramp with floating scum is much less to wash off. So I suspect there is some help! THX for asking.
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