Akes23 CC custom boat building
Akes23 CC custom boat building
Hi all!
I want to show you a little reportage of the construction of my custom alloy boat .
First of all, the requires:
HULL: I usually sail in the west coast of Sardinia, Italy. Here, for the 80% of the year there is a strong wind , the Mistral, who blows from the 10 am to the 19 pm, and it reaches force 6/7 Beaufort. The resultant sea state is always rough, steep waves of 1.5+ m that some years ago broke also my old Boston whaler 13 's hull. Too rough for a comfortable ride also in boats like Boston Whaler Outrages , WhiteSharks, the unique boats that can ride comfortably in this little maelstrom are Regulators, Mako, and some high-deadrised inflatable boat. (more similar to a SAR boat than a leisure boat..) I wanted a boat that gives a great ride through this waves, not suffering head wind; that should have a dry ride, and also that would be faster than the "not alloy" similar boats with a greater MPG.
I wanted 40+ knots of max speed with a 200 hp outboard, and a 25/27 kn cruising speed also in this 5 ft rough sea, even head sea.
Then, like whaler boats, the boat MUST had to be UNSINKABLE.
DECK LAYOUT : I rarely go fishing, but I like the offshore center console American boats. The unique thing that I don't like in these boat is the "nude" deck: no bow sundress area, no cabin, no place to lunch ... I wanted a big deck with sundress area, a 2 people room under the deck, and a aft area to place a big lunch table for 6 peoples...
I established a vacuum space in the hull, to use as a 400 L water ballast tank, useful in heavy seas or for the live bait when fishing.
SO,
I designed a high flared (dry ride) bow , and a V variable hull with a entry deadrise of 60°, 34° midship, 23° transom, with 2 strikes for each side and a lateral chine , plus 2 "winglets" to decrease roll when afloat.
The other important thing , to control seakeeping, is to place well the center of gravity CG and center of buoyancy CB: I calculate every weight, included engine and screws, to place CG on the same vertical position of CB, to have a perfect trim angle (0° ! ) and a correct plane angle. Besides, the long. position of CG was lightly advanced, to give more soft ride in the waves and allow a lower minimum plane speed, near 4% forward 1/3LWL .
I also placed a enclosed transom bracket to increase speed and engine trim feeling.
The material? Alloy, of course, ALU 5083 : the material that gave the maximum strenght/weight/performance ratio: fully customizable, more durable than NON ALLOY's/plastic, more simple than wooden-epoxy, less maintenance, low costs.
BOAT SPECS:
material: Alloy 5083 H111
thickness: 12mm(6+6) transom, 6mm hull and stringers, 4 mm sides , strikes,deck and t-top tubes.
Lh: 23 ft (7.05m)
B: 2.48 m (trailerable)
D: 1.71 m
Weight finished: 1350 kg .
Carrying: 7 px
Power: from 135 to 300 hp.
Performances (with a 200 hp optimax) : cruising 26.5/27 kn , max 45.5 Kn (52 MPH)
Fuel consumption: 26 L/H at cruising, 77 L/H @ WOT.
mileage at cruising speed: 1.05 NM / L ( 4 miles per gallon, if the gallon is 4 liters..)
Fuel tank: 300 L (300 NMiles of range at cruising speed)
Water ballast tank: 400 L
Water tank: 100 L
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I want to show you a little reportage of the construction of my custom alloy boat .
First of all, the requires:
HULL: I usually sail in the west coast of Sardinia, Italy. Here, for the 80% of the year there is a strong wind , the Mistral, who blows from the 10 am to the 19 pm, and it reaches force 6/7 Beaufort. The resultant sea state is always rough, steep waves of 1.5+ m that some years ago broke also my old Boston whaler 13 's hull. Too rough for a comfortable ride also in boats like Boston Whaler Outrages , WhiteSharks, the unique boats that can ride comfortably in this little maelstrom are Regulators, Mako, and some high-deadrised inflatable boat. (more similar to a SAR boat than a leisure boat..) I wanted a boat that gives a great ride through this waves, not suffering head wind; that should have a dry ride, and also that would be faster than the "not alloy" similar boats with a greater MPG.
I wanted 40+ knots of max speed with a 200 hp outboard, and a 25/27 kn cruising speed also in this 5 ft rough sea, even head sea.
Then, like whaler boats, the boat MUST had to be UNSINKABLE.
DECK LAYOUT : I rarely go fishing, but I like the offshore center console American boats. The unique thing that I don't like in these boat is the "nude" deck: no bow sundress area, no cabin, no place to lunch ... I wanted a big deck with sundress area, a 2 people room under the deck, and a aft area to place a big lunch table for 6 peoples...
I established a vacuum space in the hull, to use as a 400 L water ballast tank, useful in heavy seas or for the live bait when fishing.
SO,
I designed a high flared (dry ride) bow , and a V variable hull with a entry deadrise of 60°, 34° midship, 23° transom, with 2 strikes for each side and a lateral chine , plus 2 "winglets" to decrease roll when afloat.
The other important thing , to control seakeeping, is to place well the center of gravity CG and center of buoyancy CB: I calculate every weight, included engine and screws, to place CG on the same vertical position of CB, to have a perfect trim angle (0° ! ) and a correct plane angle. Besides, the long. position of CG was lightly advanced, to give more soft ride in the waves and allow a lower minimum plane speed, near 4% forward 1/3LWL .
I also placed a enclosed transom bracket to increase speed and engine trim feeling.
The material? Alloy, of course, ALU 5083 : the material that gave the maximum strenght/weight/performance ratio: fully customizable, more durable than NON ALLOY's/plastic, more simple than wooden-epoxy, less maintenance, low costs.
BOAT SPECS:
material: Alloy 5083 H111
thickness: 12mm(6+6) transom, 6mm hull and stringers, 4 mm sides , strikes,deck and t-top tubes.
Lh: 23 ft (7.05m)
B: 2.48 m (trailerable)
D: 1.71 m
Weight finished: 1350 kg .
Carrying: 7 px
Power: from 135 to 300 hp.
Performances (with a 200 hp optimax) : cruising 26.5/27 kn , max 45.5 Kn (52 MPH)
Fuel consumption: 26 L/H at cruising, 77 L/H @ WOT.
mileage at cruising speed: 1.05 NM / L ( 4 miles per gallon, if the gallon is 4 liters..)
Fuel tank: 300 L (300 NMiles of range at cruising speed)
Water ballast tank: 400 L
Water tank: 100 L
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Nice! Explain (anyone) Why are the bottom strakes only skip welded? Additionally, with all the rough edges, it seems that it would cause undo resistance and turbulence, thus decreasing speed and increasing fuel consumption. My boat has the same skip welding and I am thinking of smoothing out some of the rough welds and maybe filling the gaps with something. Would Marine tex be good or would it crack out...it probably needs to be flexible, right!
From days of past with glass and wood boats, just keeping the bottom clean and waxed increased speed so much so that it was actually measurable with primitive instruments called a stopwatch and mile markers on the shore. Capt PJ
From days of past with glass and wood boats, just keeping the bottom clean and waxed increased speed so much so that it was actually measurable with primitive instruments called a stopwatch and mile markers on the shore. Capt PJ
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Pjay, the intermittent welds keep the distortion down to a minimum which is worse than the disruption of the welds .
Alloy sticks to the water better than NON ALLOY so the weld will actually help break the suction to the water.
The hulls on these Plate boats have basically no movement of flex if you will and of course at the toe of every weld is the weakest part of the weld/parent metal due to the heat effected zone . The parent metal can lose up to 50% of its strength
in the area [ Depending on the Alloy used ] .
That's what I like about the Pacific Boats , the strakes are broke into the ONE PIECE HULL and that equals no distortion and no heat effected zone there for stronger boat.
Hope this helps and if I missed something somebody jump in.
Alloy sticks to the water better than NON ALLOY so the weld will actually help break the suction to the water.
The hulls on these Plate boats have basically no movement of flex if you will and of course at the toe of every weld is the weakest part of the weld/parent metal due to the heat effected zone . The parent metal can lose up to 50% of its strength
in the area [ Depending on the Alloy used ] .
That's what I like about the Pacific Boats , the strakes are broke into the ONE PIECE HULL and that equals no distortion and no heat effected zone there for stronger boat.
Hope this helps and if I missed something somebody jump in.
Lester,
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That is a very nice looking boat, can't wait to see the progress
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Pjay, please wait!
Strikes , then, will be welded continuous to increase stiffness: not as in the photo (dot and 10 cm spacing) but 10 cm weld line and 2-3 cm spacing. Welding only "by points" could be dangerous , because the point of weld cannot have the elastic property of the hull panel, and it could be broke.
it was welded as continuous as possible, but giving a look on the hull fairing. At the end of the work, the hull has no distorsion.
@Welder:
yes, good solutions are the strikes included in the one-piece hull, but there are some limits: one is the hull curvature: if the hull is V variable with high deadrise, I think it's difficult to make one piece hull with strikes. At least for the strike sections, who changes going forward, I tried to keep the lower part of the strikes always horizontal , parallel to the float plane , to minimize spray on the deck . This problem does not exists in monohedron hull , but a lot in V variable hulls, even in NON ALLOY boats.
For the friction: I keep the boat in water all the year, so I use the antifouling paint. It cases a lot of friction...
But it allows me to give one hand of stuck to smooth the angles between strike and hulls.
Strikes , then, will be welded continuous to increase stiffness: not as in the photo (dot and 10 cm spacing) but 10 cm weld line and 2-3 cm spacing. Welding only "by points" could be dangerous , because the point of weld cannot have the elastic property of the hull panel, and it could be broke.
it was welded as continuous as possible, but giving a look on the hull fairing. At the end of the work, the hull has no distorsion.
@Welder:
yes, good solutions are the strikes included in the one-piece hull, but there are some limits: one is the hull curvature: if the hull is V variable with high deadrise, I think it's difficult to make one piece hull with strikes. At least for the strike sections, who changes going forward, I tried to keep the lower part of the strikes always horizontal , parallel to the float plane , to minimize spray on the deck . This problem does not exists in monohedron hull , but a lot in V variable hulls, even in NON ALLOY boats.
For the friction: I keep the boat in water all the year, so I use the antifouling paint. It cases a lot of friction...
But it allows me to give one hand of stuck to smooth the angles between strike and hulls.
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So if i am reading this correctly, I have ways to do it..total weld, skip weld or formed in. Since mine are skip welded the water gets in and exits out the end of the angle aluminum that is welded to the bottom...this seems to be what is mentioned about breaking the suction..I think! So filling the open spaces with some sort of material would cause issues...is what I am hearing?
But where a weld is not smooth or has leading edge protrusion of 1/4" that causes resistance and turbulence...so smoothing/grinding the hump down to match the rest of the weld would help...RIGHT? Not going as far as to interfere with the integrity of the welds leading edge. I have so much to learn about Alloy BOATS! I am ready! THX everyone your knowledge and sharing are well apprecited. I do hope i can bring something worthwhile to the members. THX Capt PJ
But where a weld is not smooth or has leading edge protrusion of 1/4" that causes resistance and turbulence...so smoothing/grinding the hump down to match the rest of the weld would help...RIGHT? Not going as far as to interfere with the integrity of the welds leading edge. I have so much to learn about Alloy BOATS! I am ready! THX everyone your knowledge and sharing are well apprecited. I do hope i can bring something worthwhile to the members. THX Capt PJ
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I like the lines of that hull. I'm curious to see what the result will be....ride, spray, pounding ect.....very nice work
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Finally got to see all the Pictures of Akes23's boat and all I can say is ........WOW , that's COOL and I can't wait to see it on the water .
Well done Sir, well done.
Well done Sir, well done.
Lester,
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The bow is high and flared, it permits to place a cabin room (2.10 m x 1.60 max) for 2 peoples , and keeping the hatch opened could be applied a canvas , to have an internal height of 1.70 m.
Double sides are applied, and filled with polystirene, to have a unsinkable boat . The double hull gives to the boat a
superior torsional strenght and rigidity and more longitudinal bending moment rigidity. The polystirene also was applied in the bracket, in the double transom, and in the bow void spaces: 1.5 m^3 of buoyancy.
The profile after 1st stage of welding: there arent' yet the antiroll winglets, and the bow big strike, all applied later.
Detail of the double transom, filled then with polystirene, a "sandwich" construction.
@admin: I cannot rotate the photo 8-double hull, because the forum does not allow photos of 600x800 but only 800x600... is it correct?
TO BE CONTINUED...
The bow is high and flared, it permits to place a cabin room (2.10 m x 1.60 max) for 2 peoples , and keeping the hatch opened could be applied a canvas , to have an internal height of 1.70 m.
Double sides are applied, and filled with polystirene, to have a unsinkable boat . The double hull gives to the boat a
superior torsional strenght and rigidity and more longitudinal bending moment rigidity. The polystirene also was applied in the bracket, in the double transom, and in the bow void spaces: 1.5 m^3 of buoyancy.
The profile after 1st stage of welding: there arent' yet the antiroll winglets, and the bow big strike, all applied later.
Detail of the double transom, filled then with polystirene, a "sandwich" construction.
@admin: I cannot rotate the photo 8-double hull, because the forum does not allow photos of 600x800 but only 800x600... is it correct?
TO BE CONTINUED...
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T-top, console, paints, power, Power lift, and launch!
To be continued...
To be continued...
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I love the style and flair the Italians seem to lavish on everything, gorgeous cars, women, yachts, etc. This boat also puts to rest the old adage that aluminum boats are excessively flat bottomed due to the difficulty of working the material. Very nice machine you have designed & built Akeswins!
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WOW!! You are moving quite quickly on this build I really like the lines and am very curious to it's sea keeping abilities
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The boat has been finished for awhile I believe, he's putting up photos in batchesAlloyToy wrote:WOW!! You are moving quite quickly on this build I really like the lines and am very curious to it's sea keeping abilities
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^^^^^^^^^ gotcha....jeeeez I was gonna ask if this gentleman sleeps
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Hi Sirs,
yes, the boat has been built for awhile, but I discovered this forum only now
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yes, the boat has been built for awhile, but I discovered this forum only now
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boat has been very fast. I expected 40 kn, but top speed was over 46 knots with a 20 pitch 3 blades suzuki steel prop.
I'm actually using a LaserII , 19", that delivers 45.5 knots @ 5450 rpm, with medium load and antifouling paint.
Coming soon the pictures with rough seas and youtube video
I'm actually using a LaserII , 19", that delivers 45.5 knots @ 5450 rpm, with medium load and antifouling paint.
Coming soon the pictures with rough seas and youtube video
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Akeswins wrote: Coming soon the pictures with rough seas and youtube video
That's what I'm talkin about
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Video...this guy is GOOD!!! Can't WAIt! Capt PJ
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This is some video I composed last summer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTiA70Mvuuo
I 'm going to make a newer and better video soon .. I purchased an oregon actioncam atc3K and fixing it on the t-top
it is possible to use it as "cameracar" (like F1)
I'm waiting for a rough sea day to test it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTiA70Mvuuo
I 'm going to make a newer and better video soon .. I purchased an oregon actioncam atc3K and fixing it on the t-top
it is possible to use it as "cameracar" (like F1)
I'm waiting for a rough sea day to test it...
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Does she pound much?? I notice how all the spray breaks free from the hull aft of the helm.....I would imagine she is quite dry.......looks awesome Can't wait for the new "big sea" video
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Uhm.. no, pounds a little (certainly if the waves are big..) , does not porpoise, just rolls in rough seas ifu the fuel tank , the water tank, and the ballast are empty.
When I fill up the water ballast (100 gall) the rough sea behaviour changes a lot, the boat loses 4/5 knots of full speed but breaks the wave much more softly.
Dryness: the boat is normally dry, but it depends from the direction of the waves and wind.
Bow seas, dry ride in ANY condition. Even in strong wind and seas.
Little water sprays on the engine cover if the wind is lateral and exceeds force 4/5
Some sprays on board in following sea (quarter) in strong wind .
Just the contrary of a normal boat behaviour....
However, in those conditions all boats are wetted, the only boats that permit a fully dry ride are light Ribs or light flat boats, but they suffers a lot the front wind , fall back hard from the wave and don't allow the planing on rough sea.
When I fill up the water ballast (100 gall) the rough sea behaviour changes a lot, the boat loses 4/5 knots of full speed but breaks the wave much more softly.
Dryness: the boat is normally dry, but it depends from the direction of the waves and wind.
Bow seas, dry ride in ANY condition. Even in strong wind and seas.
Little water sprays on the engine cover if the wind is lateral and exceeds force 4/5
Some sprays on board in following sea (quarter) in strong wind .
Just the contrary of a normal boat behaviour....
However, in those conditions all boats are wetted, the only boats that permit a fully dry ride are light Ribs or light flat boats, but they suffers a lot the front wind , fall back hard from the wave and don't allow the planing on rough sea.
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Where in Italy do you keep this lovely boat of yours? Capt PJ
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More Please.
She looks like she turns well and cuts water good , I'm impressed.
She looks like she turns well and cuts water good , I'm impressed.
Lester,
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Sweet lines!!