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Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by BoatBucks » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:41 am

After many years owning jetboats and running rivers, I decided to make a change. I sold my last boat a while back and was going to get another jet but the more I thought about it, the more going to an OB with a deeper vee made more sense for the majority of what and where I fish. I'm tired of taking the beating a jetboat will give you in big water.

I looked at North River's which are great boats but when I compared them to Edge, it was an easy call to make. The specs looked better and they are priced better IMO. I was actually looking to downsize a little but with a boat like this, there was too much ocean potential so I went a little bigger. Ended up with a 25' "Sport OS" with 300 suzuki and 9.9HT kicker. Just brought it home and haven't get her wet yet.

Edge is known for their skiboat like looking jetboats and you can see some of that in the Sport OS. Here are a few of the highlights for thoses that are interested.

36" sides (.160)
96" bottom with 6" reverse chine (.250)
108" beam in rear (112" at widest point at windshield )
20deg deadrise with 65deg bow
Lowrance HDS7 with structure scan and radar
Icom 412 VHF
Heat and defrost
pedestal helm seats with adjustable height/swivel and shock
Huge glove box
bow storage
anchor locker
bench seating
8 rocket launcher rod holders
fresh water washdown tank
raw water washdown
900gpm bilge pump
1100gpm bilge auto pump
2 down rigger brackets
transom bleed box
infloor fishboxes
dive ladder
deck light
under gunnel LED floor lights
full length trays
scotty power downrigger plugs
dual batteries
crab davit
scotty flush mount rodholders
2x5 -.250 welded tube AL trailer, LED lights, 5200lb axles, surge brakes
and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting...

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by Napa Mike » Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:16 pm

Congrats on your new boat. she is a looker. Do they make a full hardtop ? Looking forward to pics in the water and performance numbers.

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by welder » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:24 pm

BB, NICE ride and I'm really digging the Trailer. :beer:
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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by BoatBucks » Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:11 am

Thanks guys.

Napa Mike, they are currently working on a cabin style 26'. It will be interesting to see how it turns out. Most of these Sport OS's that are sold are 22-24' which is a pretty good size for the PNW.

Yes welder, the trailer is sweet and was a big deal for me when I was shopping. I've had a few bolt together one's and don't want to go there again.

I'll try and post photo's when I actually get to splash her and use her. :beer:

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by speedboats » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:19 pm

BoatBucks wrote:.... I'm tired of taking the beating a jetboat will give you in big water.

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Edge is known for their skiboat like looking jetboats and you can see some of that in the Sport OS.
The waterjet isn't what gives you the harsh ride, it's all about hull design. As you have pointed out the Edge Sport OS looks to be a toy towing river type jetboat. I have built many sea-going vessels and propelled (thrusted) them with waterjets and they work as well as any egg-beater, with the added advantage on not destroying the prop on shallow reefs and operate out or river bars for extended durations after high tide.

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by BoatBucks » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:49 am

In these parts, 99% of the jetboats are built with shallow vee's for rivers. I've been running jets for close to 25 years of various sizes, the last being 24' diesel powered with a HJ212 running everything from a couple of inches of water (sometimes no water - oopsie! ), class 3 and 4 whitewater to 50 miles west of the beach so I'm pretty familiar with jets. Loved the versatility and it was a hard decision to move on. The last boat I helped build from flat plates to the finish. However, the last few years I've been doing less shallow/whitewater stuff and more big water fishing so a jet doesn't make much sense and a deep vee jet isn't going to cut it in the shallows or whitewater so it isnt an option. The cool thing is I've got about the same HP and will get about the same GPH as the diesel did without the maintenance and will have more room. Never thought I'd give up my jet for an "eggbeater" but I wanted the right tool for the job. Image

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by BoatBucks » Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:15 pm

Managed to splash the new tub and do some fishing.

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The kicker is set up to be able to run it without an autopilot.

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Extremely happy with it and it's everything I hoped it would be. At 3800rpm it will do 28mph at 8.5gph. Not bad for a 300. Steep learning curve from a jet but I've got all winter to get used to it. :beer:

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by Napa Mike » Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:20 pm

it looks fast sitting in the water. have you figured out top speed yet? Have you had it out in rough water yet?
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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by BoatBucks » Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:39 pm

Builder says it should do 50ish....I didn't open her up. No rough water yet but some of the big wakes from bigger boats, tugs, and ships were barely a bump.

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by Gypseas » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:08 pm

Slick looking ride congrats on the purchase.
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Post by Fisherman » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:55 pm

Congratulations on your new boat....exciting times!

Interesting how high the chine sits out of the water. Will be interested to know how you like it after running it a while. Good luck...

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by Sobie2 » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:12 pm

I'd really like to hear how she is at rest while fishing. Tippy? yes/no? I have seen them advertised for a while. I hope to find pictures of a hard top model soon also. I am in the market for my next boat. When you can give us a more in-depth review of your new boat. She is awesome.

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by BoatBucks » Wed Oct 29, 2014 6:07 pm

Sobie2 wrote:Tippy? yes/no?
Not at all. Super stable. Probably the most stable tin can tub I've been on that is trailerable. Even more so than the 24' jetboat I had with a 11deg delta bottom.

I plan to use her throughout the winter sturgeon fishing and crabbing. The real test will be in the spring for halibut and then tuna. I'll certainly post my findings as I use her. Just need to get through hunting season.

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by nvgtrsprt » Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:50 pm

Just got done with break in on my 23' OS. Had her out in Puget Sound on Sunday in some weather and she handles it like a dream. I'd say you're getting glass performance out of an aluminum hull. She's only a foot longer than my NW Jet Lightning 218 but there is no comparison in the ride in rough water. No banging waves, just a nice light lift up and down and the pleasant swoosh of that bow setting down thru the waves. I'm sold and this boat is no gimmick. Reverse chines, delta pad, etc. Powered her with a 250 Honda and got 50mph at just over 6000rpm with 4 blade 19 pitch prop. Have a 3 blade 21 pitch coming which should get my cruise in a real sweet spot. Right now I'm getting about 7.5gph at 30mph.... 4 mpg! That should improve slightly with the 21 pitch.


Sorry for the hi-jack, but thought this was a good place to share.
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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by BoatBucks » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:47 pm

No Hi-jack at all! Post away! Congrats!

I'm still looking for some rough water. I was out yesterday in the Columbia but it was a pretty calm day again. Did manage to boat some nice sturgeon so at least I know the boat will fish!

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by dennis » Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:34 pm

What is a "delta Pad" hull ?
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Post by kmorin » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:01 pm

dennis,
usually a Delta Pad is a very narrow, and long flat spot that truncates the V of a monohedron bottom boat. That is my understanding not necessarily the last word on this subject. I'd say if you imagined a V bottom boat, that was pitched up by the bow, the a waterline cut of the hull was made at the lowest 4-8" you'd have the planar intersection of a Delta Pad?

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Here is a recently posted skiff (concept sketch) with a 'delta pad' as I understand the term, this are shown in tan or gold is the pad.

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This sketch is from the original panga hull shape discussion, this (concept) sketch of multi-panel panga hull has different proportions but same concept; 'delta pad' shown in red. This view is under the after end of the hull off the starboard quarter in case that is not obvious?

It is my understand this shape (plane add to the hull bottom) aids in planing and prop efficiency?

Hope this helps with the terminology?

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by Chaps » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:48 pm

My 21 Edwing had a delta pad. Boat planed out very easily even with big loads and only had a Honda 90
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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by dennis » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:54 pm

So essentially the "Delta pad hull" is a method of lifting the hull for more speed ? Did manufacturers add this to sell more boats with smaller motors when gas prices skyrocketed?
One Midwest boat company calls their invention an IPS hull......
I'm puzzled ! Why buy a Deep V (20 to 26 degree hull) and put a john boat bottom on it ? For years peeps at Hull Truth would complain about "tippy". Could this be why and would it help?
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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by kmorin » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:33 pm

dennis,
I think the D'Pad helps planing quicker and may effect the wake's release zone but all up horse power is the main contribution to top speed- in flat water (HP to Wt. Ratio). The DeltaPad isn't going to move a 100 hp boat of the exact model faster than the 150hp boat of the exact same model without the D'Pad. But it's so hard ("never") to ever get two identical boats in shape and displacement, one with a D'Pad the other without, next to one another for tests that I'm just giving a logical answer not one based on any tests I've seen or read.

The flat is too small and located too far aft to make entry/ride/performance of the V in a chop a question. So I'd say this was not a Jon-boat bottom. The only time I can see the D'Pad being the forward edge of the running waterline- is going really fast (offshore racing fast) or jumping/breaching/stunt boating where the hull is airborne and impact over this area? Then; I guess the flat would make for a few more lb.s of impact. However even a deeper V, if they're light wt (lower displacement), will impact hard. I don't see the D'Pad as doing much but aiding the transition to planing on the hulls where its used.

Deep V's have a lower Initial Stability ("tippy") due to the bottom's shape, therefore, they roll in a beam sea more than their flatter (lower deadrise) counterparts. The final stability (roll over point) is probably greater angle of heel for a deep V than the flatter boats because there is a potentially longer righting arm if the equipment is lower into the hull, but with outboard power that is not the case.

I don't think the D'Pad would reduce roll significantly because it's too small a percentage of the bottom so I think its main contribution is to feed water to the prop that has a different "release profile" than a V bottom and one that is able to run in slightly shallower water and last to help the hull get on step with a trimming surface aft to help balance the bow's V. The question of hull running pitch is pretty involved and I'm not trying to address it here.

Terminology is not uniform in the marine world, for example; some locations refer to all small boats as 'dories' but other places a dory is strictly a hull shape description. If you add in the advertising, sales people's descriptions, popular beliefs and myths, it's going to be a wide mix of words, some of which may be more smoke and mirrors than truth about any given boat.

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Re: Edge Marine Sport Offshore

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Post by BoatBucks » Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:08 pm

Kevin is spot on with his thoughts. Chaps' photo is a perfect look at a delta pad. You see that design in jetboats inboard or outboard.

The Edge has a funny little Delta pad on the bracket that helps lift the aft of the boat up. I think it helps in efficiently without hurting the ride.

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FWIW - A short update. Sorry it's been awhile since I've checked in.... The boat has gone beyond my expectations. It rides as good as any glass boat of similar size. While life has gotten in the way of my fishing habit, I did manage a halibut trip off the Oregon coast. Have I mentioned how I love the ride? Even in the late afternoon I could make 18-20kts without pounding. Fuel burn is around 10gph which puts me around 3mpg which is reasonable given the size. The DF300 runs like a dream. I did ditch the zuke 9.9 and replaced with a Yamaha T9.9. Smoother and quieter. Just need to install a TR-1 this winter if I get the time.

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